Questions by Mike Simpson, freelance writer from Great Britain.
Ben Pullen, Charlotte Comer, Peter
O'Farrell, Terry Marcel, Cameron Rhodes,
Todd Rippon, Jeffery Thomas, Michael
Wilson, Desmond Kelly
Ben
Pullen
How would you sum up the character of Ivanhoe
as you play him?
Ivanhoe is very much a flawed hero. A man of great courage and singular determination;
tortured by his experiences and actions during the crusades and haunted by the
pain of childhood tragedy. The only meaning he can find in his world is the
restoration of Richard to the throne of England; seldom a man of levity when
we first meet him, through the series he casts off some of the demons that haunt
him and with the help of Rebecca and Odo regains his trust in himself, in others
and in life. The path of the true hero.
How close
is your interpretation to Walter Scott's version?
I think my interpretation might be quite similar to Scott's despite the fact
that the series has only a loose connection to the book. Certainly a close theme
in both is Ivanhoe's tangle in a menage a trois- faithful to the memory of his
childhood sweetheart, Rowena, but torn in the direction of the painfully alluring
Rebecca; the pain of the past, the hope of the future.
How did
you get this role? What attracted you to it?
Terry had seen some of my work, including Prince Valiant and Cadfael which had
interested him; we met, I read, Bob's your Uncle (The casting process is an
unsavoury part of every actors life, less said the better). Its interesting
that both the shows Terry had liked me in involved me as a villain. Everyone
knows that baddies are the most fun. Terry was very much interested in the darker
side of Ivanhoe, hence DARK KNIGHT, and it was this ambivalence in Ivanhoe's
character which initially drew me to the part. Aside from that it's the usual
thing; kill baddies, conquer evil, get the girl, be a Hero, SAVE THE DAY. Ivanhoe
also reminded me of some of my favourite heroes; a broken soldier returns home
suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, misunderstood and alienated,
he must learn to forgive and forget, throw of the demons and move on -Ivanhoe
or John Rambo.? Seeking revenge for the death of his parents a man meets out
justice to the wicked and hope to the weary - Ivanhoe or Batman? n Haunted by
the death of his mother saving him from the Dark Side when only a baby, our
reluctant hero must avenge her death and save the world from the darkness which
threatens it - Ivanhoe or Harry Potter? Even the greatest of heroes err - to
err is human. Ivanhoe is only human.
How much
of your own stuntwork/sword-fighting are you doing?
Claiming to have done your own stunts is dangerous ground for an actor and,
short of being Jackie Chan or Chuck Norris, I suspect few actors can really
make the claim. However, I do think that I can justifiably...Anything truly
dangerous, or technically above my head, or that requires a fall, or that involves
getting your legs at dutch angles or that Sam Williams simply says I shouldn't
try, I leave to the pros - that's their job, they relish it. They'll certainly
make you look that much better in a fight, which is what my stunt double Jonathon
Costello has done numerous times, perhaps that's why they call me his dialogue
double. Sam Williams has arranged some fantastic fights and has given me the
confidence to do most of the sword-work myself - and in the process created
a unique fighting style for Ivanhoe.
Have you
had to do any special training or learn any new skills for this role?
The only special training has been the fight work - Sam has taught me many new
sword-skills and I suppose I also had to learn how to fight a dragon, slig,
incubus, shade, diararog, shrake and of course the necrotising grunid. Of course,
my riding skills have had to improve and under the tutelage of the wonderful
Caroline Girdlestone I can now look and feel at ease on a rearing horse.
How are
you coping with all the scenes where monster or other effects won't be added
until post-production?
I seem to have found myself fighting clean air in most episodes - that is, a
CGI creature. All these fights have been very challenging - and most have worked
very well, I might have missed the mark on a couple of them - gauging my performance
with something I can only dream up in my head. It's all a matter of communication
between the CGI guys, the director, the fight arranger and the actor -not to
mention the rest of the crew. You need to get a good idea of not just what the
creature looks like, but exactly how it moves and fights and how the CGI guys
see the structure of the scene/fight. You have to be very exact when you deal
with the CGI creatures - where one wrong move might mean falling down the throat
of an invisible monster, one wrong swordthrust might mean a neck instead of
an arm. Sean or Trevor are always on set when there is a CGI element to make
sure we are all up to speed - or it could just be because they enjoy laughing
at me screaming round a set or bluescreen shouting blue murder, veins popping
out of neck, slashing and cutting at absolutely nothing. Straight out of THE
ENTITY.
How do
you find the rest of the cast to work with?
The depth of talent that exists in a city the size of Wellington in a country
the size of New Zealand is amazing. The whole cast has been really great - Peter
and Charlotte have been inspiring and very supportive these last 6 months -
I'll have wonderful memories of our time together. Cameron Rhodes will delight
people with his Prince John- I think he will be the yardstick against which
all Prince Johns are measured - indeed against which all vile/evil/sadistic/monstrous
villains are measured from now on. We have been lucky to have worked with the
very best actors in NZ - I've definitely learnt a lot from them along the way
- except for the accent, and that whole thing with the sheep.
How does
this series compare with your previous "sword & sorcery" roles in
Highlander and Prince Valiant?
Ivanhoe and Prince Arn would have been mortal enemies. Arn would have detested
Ivanhoe's very noble and single-minded obsession with restoring Richard to the
throne. "Different ruler, same old shit" would be more Arn. He would have seen
Ivanhoe's compassion as a weakness and his striving for the freedom of his people
as foolish. He would, however, have respected the fighter in him. He might have
questioned Ivanhoe's taste in women. Ivanhoe would have been sickened by Arn's
selfish/lascivious/amoral/arrogant/abusive ways. Ivanhoe could kick Arn's butt.
In terms of making the shows; they really have been miles apart. Thirteen 1
hr episodes in 6 months compared to a 11/2 hr movie in 2 months. Ivanhoe has
been a long, gruelling, very rewarding odyssey; Prince Valiant was a walk in
the park. A very enjoyable walk in the park. With lots of toys. And great body
armour. And Edward Fox. And that boy Steve Moyer. And Ron Perlman. Great locations.
Great looking girls.
What hopes
do you have for the development of the character and series?
In an ideal world we would see this show syndicated across the US - a 1st for
a British production. I want to be in every American sitting-room fighting evil,
oppression, heavy taxes, inflated utility bills (In one Ep, "Stolen Souls",
Ivanhoe battles inflated water bills), despotism, fascism, racism, depression,
insomnia and generally defending the English way of life, before I'm 30. As
for my hopes for the development of Ivanhoe's character; he has a great deal
to learn and much to forget and forgive; and a great deal of evil to overcome.
If the writers and producers can continue to make his journey interesting and
varied, tragic and comic, very real and very unreal and above all passionate
and entertaining, then all our hopes for Ivanhoe will be the same. TOP
Charlotte
Comer
How would you describe the character of Rebecca?
A woman who lives on her wits, Strong, Independent, Feisty, a woman with her
own mind, that and feminine with a strong protective streak.
What sort
of chemistry have you and Ben Pullen been able to generate between your two
characters?
Chemistry? That's up to you to decide.
How did
you get this role? What attracted you to it?
This being my first major role out of Drama School I was very lucky to get it,
my agent got me the interview, and I guess I just charmed them into giving me
the job.
To what
extent are you able to use your dancing, fencing and boxing skills in the show?
The shows very physical with quite a grueling schedule so its good to have stamina;
and when your choreographing a fight sequence, quite often, because of time,
you only get 5 minutes out of that schedule, so it pays to know what your doing
so that no one gets hurt.
When you
started modeling, was it always your intention to move into acting?
I love telling stories and playing with imaginary circumstances, coming from
family where no one was in the acting profession it took me a while to work
out what I specifically wanted to do. Modeling meant that I could be independent,
travel and play with imaginary circumstances.
What are
you finding toughest about making the series?
The tough part is being away from your family and friends for seven months on
the other side of the world.
What hopes
do you have for the development of your character and the series?
In the second series the writers decided to make Rebecca much more feisty, just
more of the same please, its fun to do. Plus this time round she's wearing a
much more practical costume so getting on and off horses was a hell of allot
easier. TOP
Peter O'Farrell
How would you describe the character of Odo?
A natural born craven cringing coward, who can show bravery beyond even his
own belief in defense of his comrades, though he would be hard pushed to admit
to having any. Ergo a natural born survivor.
How did
you get this role? What attracted you to it?
Through the industry and help of Terry Marcel who believed in me and followed
a hunch. The role looked fun and it beats being unemployed.
How has
Terry Marcel developed as a director over the 20 years since Hawk The Slayer?
He's a natural director, he doesn't think so, but his eye for detail is astute.
He's matured like an autumn maple, mellowing slightly with time.
How much
of your own stunt/fight work are you doing?
All stunts, faints etc, except for potential neck breakers for instance coming
through ceilings head first.
How are
you coping with having a donkey as a co-star?
We have a tacit understanding, I tell him what I'd like him to do - and he does
what the he likes.
As a comic
relief character in an action/adventure series, how do you tread that fine line
between popular and irritating?
You can please most, some of the time, you can please less, most of the time,
you're never going to please everyone all of the time.
Some people
might think that playing "a comic dwarf" in a fantasy series (or a
costumed alien in a kids' show like Dr Xargle) is a come-down for an RSC actor:
how would you answer that?
It's all work to be sure, to be sure, it's all work.
What hopes
do you have for the development of your character and the series?
Extremely high hopes, as Odo gets the chance to show more of his character the
viewers should be very amused by the antics he is capable of. TOP
Terry Marcel
How long has the series taken to reach production
(I first heard mention of it when I interviewed Harley Cokeliss in,
I think, 1997)?
I first had the idea for the series in 1996, and it took approximately 3 years
to put together.
Why Ivanhoe?
Why not just a completely original sword and sorcery series?
The reason I chose Ivanhoe is because the character is known internationally
and I felt that the series needed a hook.
What connection
does the show have with the Walter Scott novel?
None.
What are
your views of previous Ivanhoe series, like the 1960s version or the 1990s BBC
adaptation?
I prefer not to comment on other people's work.
There have
been several attempts to capitalize on the fantasy adventure market created
by the success of Hercules and Xena, not all of them successful. What does Ivanhoe
have going for it that will distinguish it from the rest?
What distinguishes Ivanhoe from other series, two things mainly: 1. The extensive
use of CGI, and 2. Everything is set firmly in the 12th Century, for instance
sets, costumes and props.
Why shoot
in New Zealand? Does it help that there are plenty of cast and crew there who
have worked on Hercules and Xena? Is it a problem that a lot of the country's
film infrastructure is currently devoted to Lord Of The Rings?
Great locations, the exchange rate and the extremely good pool of local acting
talent. We haven't been effected by Lord of the Rings at all.
With Lord
Of The Rings and Dungeons And Dragons both in production, is this a good time
for the sword and sorcery genre? And what
do you think has brought about this renaissance?
Yes I do. I'm not sure why this renaissance has taken place, but as far as I'm
concerned there has always been an enormous interest in this genre evidence
by the vast amount of literature sold worldwide.
With advances
in effects, etc, what can you do now that you would have liked to have done
but couldn't on things like Hawk The Slayer
and Prisoners Of The Lost Universe?
We can now create 3-Dimensional creatures in a very short space of time, which
was not even conceived when I made Hawk.
As series
creator, how much say have you had in things like casting and episode storylines?
My involvement in the casting was shared with Corinne Hollingworth at Channel
5 and Phil Wallbank, the co-producer. The story lines were mostly mine, some
were done by Mark Ezra, one of the script editors.
How have
you picked the writers and directors of various episodes?
We picked the writers and directors from people that we knew and have worked
with before-and those we thought could cut it.
Any comments
on your principal cast?
My comments on the cast are that I am delighted in their performances and they
have lived up to my expectations.
How much
international interest has there been in the series so far?
Every major territory in the world has shown interest in the series and Portman,
our distributor, is currently in negotiations.
What have
Channel 5 brought to the production?
Apart from the financial aspect, the main contribution from Channel 5 was Corinne
Hollingworth, who has been an enormous help with the work she has done on the
scripts, and the support she has given the creative team.
Why are
you shooting on super-16mm?
We are shooting Super 16mm film simply because as of yet tape is still not universally
accepted. TOP
Cameron
Rhodes
How would you describe the character of Prince
John as you play him?
Prince John is a complex individual. On the surface he is arrogant, and often
rude to people he sees as inferior, which is virtually everyone!His behaviour
is often petulant, childish, he is prone to temper tantrums, and exhibits all
the traits of a spoilt brat. He is at times sadistic, cruel, aggressive, and
gives orders that are verging on downright evil. He plays power games with people,
and "kicks" those below him, especially Falco.Ź His hold on power is tentative
and under threat, which fuels his paranoia. He gets very drunk and often has
neurotic rants in this state. He hates his brother Richard, is jealous of him
and wants to commit fratricide. He basically wants anyone in his way dead!Below
the surface is a scared "little boy", needing constant attention. Prince John
has a fragile ego, and is really very vulnerable. He has few friends, and those
around him are 'out for what they can get'. He has a genuine fear of Mordour,
who is one of the few people who can put John in his place. Things really hot
up whenever John's matrichal mum, Eleanor and her butch lover De Bois come on
the scene. Prince John is delight to play as there is a wealth of complexities
and character flaws to get my "teeth into". He is a true "baddie", and" the
devil always gets the best lines!"
How does
your interpretation compare with previous screen incarnations of Prince John?
The two Prince John's that stand out for me are in the 1952, IVANHOE with Elizabeth
Taylor and Robert Taylor and in THE LION IN WINTER with Peter O'Toole and Kathryn
Hepburn. In IVANHOE, John is played fairly close to the Walter Scott book, florid,
self-centered and definitely a baddie. However he is very much a supporting
role, pretty much in the background, he also seems to be in his late thirties.
(The film has fantastic jousting scenes which John attends). The LION IN WINTER
has John as a teenage halfwit!He is played as a bit simple, very unsophisticated,
and in the shadow of Richard. Both are wonderful performances and very different
interpretations of the character. Prince John in DARK KNIGHT is late twenties,
and very much a strong part of the story. I have the chance over thirteen episodes
to develop interesting relationships with other characters, especially Falco
and Mordour. I have the opportunity to explore different sides to Johnās personality,
so we see him in an array of moods, the highs and lows, the light and shade
of his makeup.Ź This, of course, is more possible in a thirteen episode series,
than over two and a half hours of film. I have been given the opportunity to
make the"role my own", to play him in a multidimensional, contemporary way.
I suppose, my Prince John is, like the series, very much of now, 2000, despite
being set in the late 1100's.
Have you
researched the character historically?
When I got the role I did a bit of background reading, mainly looking for descriptions
of his behavior. He seemed to suffer from an enormous temper, as did his father,
and brother Richard. He also could be quite sadistic, with one book describing
John pulling someone's teeth out to force them to repay a debt!Others describe
him as a good ruler when he eventually became king. The reading was mainly to
give me a feel for the man and the times he lived in. Although John is an real
person from history , it is important that I create a character that is full
blooded, and works dramatically in the series. Like, say, in Shakespeare's Richard
III, it is more important that we have a complex villain that is entertaining
and dramatic, than a portrayal based on history books.
How did
you get this role? What attracted you to it?
When I read the audition script I knew that I could play this man, that it was
really ,my cup of tea. It made me very excited, so I worked very hard on my
audition piece. Basically I, went for it, pulled out the stops and luckily got
the part. Prince John, was described , in the audition script as a spoilt brat,
a temper prone, tax hungry ruler, who is hell-bent on retaining power. I could
immediately see the enormous potential in the part, and also to have a lot of
fun with the role. The producers (Terry and Phil) wanted a real character, not
an over- the- top caricature, a villain in the Die-Hard mode, basically a fantastic
role!
With such
an over-the-top piece of nastiness as Prince John, how do you stop yourself
from overacting?
Well, it's the old acting rule, "play the truth". If it's truthful and rooted
in real emotions, it won't be overacting. Sure, Prince John can be extreme,
but it's always for a reason, usually fear and insecurity. If I look for why
he is behaving as he does, and play with the other actors it will be right.
We have the chance to explore the scenes together to get the pitch right,( and
sometimes I am screaming, very drunk or hysterical!) Although I am nasty, itās
only one side of the character, plus there are many shades of bad behavior.
Plus, we have had some very good directors who can always pull me into line!
What redeeming
qualities (if any) does prince John have?
Well, he has a witty, sardonic sense of humour. John knows how to throw a great
party, (even if the guests are all sycophants.) He has a great dress sense and
always looks good.( Sure he is pretty vain, but is also fairly charismatic)
I think we all love to hate the villains, they do naughty, outrageous, extreme
things that we are perhaps tempted, but would never dare to do. John is this,
a little devil, a brat, who deep down we would all like to have a go at being,
but of course the consequences we be horrendous. So, in a bizarre way, I think
the audience will be both repelled and attracted to the character.
How does
Ivanhoe compare as a production with Xena?
Both Xena and Dark Knight have very high production values, they are shot on
film with excellent post production. Both are high action and have a high entertainment
value. Both are made in New Zealand. It's the working together of highly skilled
people from the U.K and the States combined with the Kiwi ingenuity and passion
that give both Xena and Dark Knight a wonderful richness. Dark Knight is a new
cutting edge show, with a lot more CGI than seen before in a series of this
genre. It has a fantastic N.Z -U.K team, that has created something unique and
very exciting.
What hopes
do you have for the development of your character and the series?
The character is already being developed fairly fully, it would be great if
we continue to see him in a range of different situations, having to deal with
new and frustrating problems. There are some wonderful moments when John and
his nemesis (Ivanhoe) come face to face, there is great potential here for some
thrilling encounters. The costume department, have already given John some fabulous
garments, Iām excited about what new delights await in this area. It is wonderful
when John is out if his depth, in new environs outside the safety of the castle
walls, it will be interesting to see where John travels to. There is huge potential
for untold adventures in DARK KNIGHT, and Prince John is ripe to be enmeshed
in a lot of them. TOP
Todd Rippon
How would you describe the character of Falco?
Falco is a brutal, sadistic individual that is perfectly suited to Prince Johnās
uncaring and fearful rein. Heās constantly berated by Prince John and often
humiliated by Ivanhoe. But he is completely faithful to Prince John because
he thinks he may further his position and purse by doing one thing and one thing
only; KILLING IVANHOE.
How did
you get this role? What attracted you to it?
My agent rang to say that Ivanhoe Dark Knight were interested in me playing
the role of Falco about three weeks before we started. Then I received another
call asking if I could ride a horse. I said yes I could. And finally about two
weeks before the 1st shoot day my agent asked me if I would like some work.
To which I replied, yes and then he said "would you like a lot of work?" Apart
from the obvious attraction of an on going role in a big budget T.V. programme
I liked the idea of playing Falco as he sees a reasonable amount of fighting
action with Ivanhoe and it was a chance to develop a character on film over
a long period of time.
What did
you mean when you said the role's strength was Ņthe devil in my eye"?
A director once said to me "you have the devil in your eye" and I
always remembered it because it seemed a strange thing to say to me. I think
Falco should be scary so that the scenes where he and Ivanhoe fight has a cruel
sense of danger about them.
Does your
appearance get you typecast as bad guys? Do you mind?
I'm not naturally bald. However a lot of the roles I play have asked for me
to shave my head for the baddie. Yes I think my appearance does lend itās self
to bad guy types and I donāt mind at all. Iāve played good guys and bad guys
and Iāve always enjoyed the bad guy roles more. Their just seems to be more
scope for what you can do with the part if youāre a meanie. All my favourite
actors have been type cast as bad guys in the past too.
How much
of your own stunt/fight work are you doing?
I do as much of my own stunts as I can without being too stupid. You have to
be pretty highly trained to set yourself alight and run around like a chook
with it's head cut off. We have some fantastic stunt men and a great Stunt Co-ordinator,
Sam Williams who has taught me a lot about swordsmanship. If you look closely
itās me in all the horse riding stunts except one I think. The biggest stunt
I did was falling off a balcony during a fight. I love it. I wanted to be a
stunt man at the age of four, before I wanted to be an actor.
How does
Ivanhoe compare as a production with Xena and Hercules?
I donāt like to compare Ivanhoe to Hercules and Xena cause they are all really
neat in their own way. Both to work on and as entertainment. But if I had to,
Iād say that the story lines in Ivanhoe are more robust than Xena and Herc,
as Ivanhoe has a clear mission in life and a terribly dark memory of the crusades.
They are alike I think in that they try to entertain the same family viewing
public. However, as the name suggests Ivanhoe Dark Knight is darker and more
scary.
What was
it like to work with Peter Jackson on The Frighteners?
I had a delightful time on the set of 'The Frighteners'. Peter is such an unassuming,
casual character that one is made to feel quite at home very quickly. 'The Frighteners'
would take two days to shoot a two minute scene, we average about six or seven
minutes a day on Ivanhoe, so there wasn't a lot of pressure being brought to
bear on anyone.
What hopes
do you have for the development of your character and the series?
Just let it go again I say. As far as my aspirations for Falco's character,
I think he's pretty well set in concrete. Heās not going to see the light and
jump ship to King Richard's side. He's not going to over step his status with
Prince John I don't think. Although in a recent episode we saw a vulnerable
side to Falco which appeared to come from nowhere but in the context of the
story made complete sense. You'll have to watch it to find out what I mean.
TOP
Jeffery
Thomas
How would you describe the character of Mordour?
Evil. Evil. Evil.
How did
you get this role? What attracted you to it?
It was offered to me. I was attracted by the prospect of having a lot of acting
to do and I rather enjoy acting.
As a magical
character, presumably you have a lot of special effects scenes: how do you cope
with those?
Patiently. It can be quite a slow process dealing with CGI shots and you really
need to use your imagination well.
What loyalties
(if any) does Mordour have? Does he have any redeeming qualities?
None. He's decisive, imaginative, intelligent, well read (for his time) and
has a healthy contempt for complacency.
How does
Ivanhoe compare as a production with Hercules?
They're quite similar. Hercules is more lavish and better paid and shot on 35mm
as opposed to the 16mm on which Dark Knight is shot. Technically this makes
quite a big difference but in terms of the work an actor does there's virtually
no difference.
As a writer
yourself, what do you think of this show's scripts?
They're great stories and I have enjoyed collaborating on some of them.
The Peter
Jackson-produced spoof documentary Forgotten Silver (which I believe you narrated)
is said to be excellent: can you tell me a bit about it?
It tells the life of New Zealand film pioneer Colin MacKenzie who died tragically
in the Spanish Civil War.
What hopes
do you have for the development of your character and the series?
Naturally I hope the series continues and that Mordour's character can grow
to allow me even more acting to do.
TOP
Michael
Wilson
How would you describe the character of Friar
Bacon?
Friar Bacon is a deeply serious man who is devoted to his scientific studies.
He does not see this as conflicting with his religious convictions. As a natural
scientist, he seeks to unlock the mysteries concealed in all God's creations.
He does, however, get quite a kick out of those mysteries that reveal themselves
explosively. I think he's a bit of a secret thrillseeker. Perhaps, despite his
own celibacy, he gets a similar kick out of encouraging the explosive chemistry
between Ivanhoe and Rebecca. As a man of conscience and justice, he supports
Ivanhoe's cause passionately.
How did
you get this role? What attracted you to it?
I had worked with Terry Marcel on another project, where I played a pathetically
hapless Prime Minister. Something about that portrayal led him to ask me to
tackle Friar Bacon. I had my tonsure cut and my habit formed and fitted before
I knew much about the part. Now I love it for its depth and potential for development.
I have so far only scratched the surface, and am keen to show more of the man
beneath the funny haircut and the brown dress.
To what
extent is your characters based on the real Roger Bacon, and how much historical
research have you done?
Roger Bacon was obviously the model for the character of Friar Bacon,
but the writers have deliberately avoided claiming that my Friar is the historical
Bacon, and so must I. I am acting in a modern television adventure series and
not a historical documentary. I am fascinated, though, by what I have discovered
about Roger Bacon and am keen to see more of his interests and discoveries find
their way into the programme. His knowledge of gunpowder is already there, and
his use of optical devices to peer at his arcane manuscripts. I am sure that
the series creator, Terry Marcel, has been careful to insert just the right
amount of Baco''s scientific innovation into the programme, without provoking
too much audience scepticism. The simple fact is, that most people would scoff
at a monk from the so-called 'Dark Ages' having practical experience of microscopes,
steam power and gunpowder, and who had predicted flying machines and suspension
bridges. I suspect, in future series, we may see Friar Bacon introduce more
of his radical scientific ideas, to help Ivanhoe's cause. He may not exactly
be 'Q' to Ivanhoe's 'Bond' but I am sure that he has more than gunpowder up
his sleeve. My characterisation of Friar Bacon is, of course, primarily based
on the scripts. I have not tried to bring a classically - educated Mediaeval
Franciscan Friar to the screen. For a start, my Friar spends more time hurtling
down secret passageways pursued by soldiers, than poring over ecclesiastical
texts. I have given him a hint of a regional accent, to suggest that he may
be humbly born, and also to distance him from the aristocracy surrounding Prince
John's court. He also seems to be more of a freelance friar, than one closely
associated with an order, like the original Bacon.
What sort
of props or effects are involved in the science and technology which Friar Bacon
invents for the series?
Because my laboratory was trashed by Prince John's soldiers early in the series,
I have not carried much paraphernalia about with me. I am never far from a stash
of gunpowder, though, and I carry my quaint mediaeval spectacles with me wherever
I go. I am keen to find another base, though, so I can get back among the pipes
and retorts of my chemical laboratory. Celestial charts are vital to my calculations-like Roger Bacon, I am well-versed in astronomy. So, at the moment I'm travelling
light, but the potential for adding to my scientific armoury is high.
The Ivanhoe
website says you have "a tendency to be spectacularly accident prone"
- what have you managed to do to yourself (or other people) on this shoot?
So far I have kept that side of my personality away from this project. Perhaps
Friar Bacon's contemplative nature has slowed my usually feverish metabolic
rate. Perhaps I don't want to wreck any expensive equipment. If there is a wall
to walk into, though, I'm your man. I've broken ribs, sprained ankles, torn
muscles, and bled profusely on a number of other film sets. But so far, nobody
has asked me to ride a motorcycle backwards on this job.
How much
of your comedy or stunt experience are you able to bring to the character?
Friar Bacon is a pretty serious character. You don't want to be cracking too
many jokes when a ravening beast from the jaws of Hell is morphing out of the
wall at you. Nor is it his thing to lift up his skirts and deal a flying karate
chop to the local representative of the Antichrist. But comic timing will always
stand you in good stead, and I also like to imagine the foibles and fantasies
lurking beneath this friar's facade. As for stunt work-it's always useful to
know how to fall off things, and this is an action-packed series. So far, Ivanhoe
has done most of the physical stuff (and there have been some stunningly choreographed
sequences), but, hey, Bacon will have his day.
What sort
of things were involved in stunt doubling for Worzel Gummidge?
The first thing was getting made up as Worzel. This took three hours. Then I
would fall off a bike or a ladder, or down a hole, get the make-up off, and
go home. I loved it. There was no ego involved. Just "How can I dive through
that gap or fall off that cart in the same way that Worzel would do it?" I was
deliberately messy, arms and legs all over the place. I wanted to look like
a mad old scarecrow and not a top gymnast. John Pertwee said he appreciated
that, and I certainly appreciated having such a good character to do it on behalf
of.
How does
Ivanhoe compare as a production with Hercules?
I think there's a bit more historical accuracy in The Dark Knight. Sure, it's
an adventure series and there's a whole lot of supernatural stuff in it, but
it's still grounded in some sort of reality. You could say that the supernatural
elements reflect the superstitions of the time. It's just that they are physically
realised on the screen and treated as if they were real-horrifyingly real!The Dark Knight is similar to Hercules in its enjoyment of heroic adventure
and the exploiting of some very impressive visual effects, but there's a larger
cast of central characters in The Dark Knight and they are interesting beyond
their ability to swing an axe or wrestle a villain to the ground
What hopes
do you have for the development of your character and the series?
As I mentioned before, I would like to bring more of Roger Bacon's interests
and discoveries into the plot of the next series. I love the blend of the scientific
and the philosophical in Friar Bacon's character, and I would like to see him
assist Ivanhoe in both ways. Ivanhoe strikes me as having a troubled soul, and
I think he could do with a bit of help on that score. I can see many alchemical
and technological devices being provide to aid Ivanhoe's cause, or just get
him out of trouble from time to time. Alright, he could be 'Q' to Ivanhoe's
'Bond.' Why not?
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How would you describe the character
of Fingal?
He's a very old Druid, skilled in ancient lore and and magic, the last of his
kind. He is set apart from the ordinary world by his background and his task
of trying to overcome evil in any form. He is Ivanhoe's computer in the sense
that he has a data base of knowledge available by no other means. He recognizes
the special nature of Ivanhoe and they gradually form an unusual but close friendship
in which they risk their lives for each other and for the cause of good in medieval
England. Despite his magic Fingal is human and I have found a couple of his
human frailties. For instance he is inclined to be short tempered and does not
suffer fools gladly. He knows that Odo is an inherent trickster and cannot understand
Ivanhoe's patronage of the little man. Fingal itches to turn Odo into a toad
and have done with him and his thieving ways. I have also found him to be just
the littlest bit vain. He is proud of his abilities and expects to succeed.
He has a deep commitment to his work with Ivanhoe and despite his austerity
has a very warm heart.
How are
you coping with having a rat as a co-star?
The rat and I tolerate each other as professionals. We expect each to carry
out his work on time and on the mark. I regret to say the rat is sometimes blase
about his responsibilities and has a cavalier attitude to precision of movement
which has resulted in my having to repeat my side of the work more than once.
I fancy that at times the ratās mind is more on the supply of condensed milk
than on filming. These short comings have prohibited the development of a deep
and meaningful relationship between us. It is in the ratās favor that he is
very beautifully marked. He is a Hooded rat which gives him black and white
markings. Carolyn Girdlestone has done a wonderful job in providing animals
for the show which look absolutely magnificent in their roles. The rat is the
worst actor amongst them.
How did
you get this role? What attracted you to it?
Terry Marcel saw me in the role of a crazy German professor scientist in an
episode of Enid Blytonās stories some three or four years ago and he offered
me the role of Fingal straight off - no audition. Did I want it? I did. Not
that I knew much about it at that time, but it has worked out to be a very satisfying
shoot.
As a magical
character, presumably you have a lot of special effects scenes: how do you cope
with those?
With some bewilderment. I am amazed at how writers, directors, cameramen and
the special effects computer people come up with the astonishing scenes that
they do. I listen to the director, talk to the cameraman and try to imagine
all that mayhem and fantasy taking place around me as I say the words. I hope
it works because I have only seen the pilot at this stage and we are shooting
the last episode of the first series now. I find it a test of imagination and
inhibition.
What made
you decide to take up acting at such a late age?
I was teaching in a tertiary institute and I cared greatly about teaching. However
it was becoming apparent to me that my ideas about teaching and officialdom's
ideas about teaching were on divergent paths. I began to look for another profession
rather than stay and grow bitter. At a Christmas party I found myself after
too much beer, rattling on to the Drama teacher about how I had always liked
drama and would like to have had a go myself if I were younger. He also had
drunk too much and promised to put me in his first production the following
year. But he remembered it when he was sober and insisted I take a role in Gammer
Gurton's Needle. It was the most fearful experience of my life. Each performance
he would send the two biggest men in the cast down to my office to pries the
script out of my hands and bring me up to the dressing room. In the next nine
months I did four more plays and at the end of the year I took a year's leave
of absence without pay and auditioned for a professional theatre in Wellington.
It took me on and that was it, I became an actor at 49. Now, I'm 71 and still
enjoying it though I still get fearful before a performance.
How does
Ivanhoe compare as a production with Xena? Or with other fantasy shows you've
worked on like Ray Bradbury Theatre or Mirror,
Mirror?
Those shows were far shorter experiences for me. I appeared in various episodes
and then was gone. In this one, I have been used increasingly as the series
has developed and I am one of the core cast and so have got to know the other
actors more fully than was possible in the shows you mention. In that sense
it is more comfortable for me. Technically there is much more computer work
in this production than in those other series.
What was
it like to work with Peter Jackson on The Frighteners?
It was strange. Peter gets into the action. He is quite likely to talk all the
way through the take, giving instructions and getting the performance he wants.
I thought this is great, there will have to be dubbing work later to overcome
his voice and I'll earn more. Nothing of it. How they got his voice off the
sound track is a mystery to me. Not all the magic effects were on the screen!
The result was I did not get extra days in the recording studio. Oh well! Can't
win them all.
What hopes
do you have for the development of your character and the series?
That's difficult. I'm not the writer, but I would like to see another couple
of series made. I like Fingal. I like finding the humour, the vanity and the
testiness in him and I like his intensity. As a character, he is quite a contrast
to anyone else in the series and it's always a positive, acting someone like
that. At the beginning of the series Fingal remained largely in his cave and
was consulted by Ivanhoe now and then. He was not in every episode. Since then
much more of a partnership has developed between them. This has resulted in
Fingal becoming a much stronger force on the Ivanhoe team and moving out of
the cave and into the world as a full campaigner. I like that development and
hope that any future series will see it sustained and developed.
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